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The whole path
Two steps toward, two steps back
That give and take gives us a sense of agency, autonomy, and control.
What Scott says
they go, ooh, look at this jittery, intense energy. They collapse their awareness on it, and then they get overwhelmed, and it goes from a four out of 10 to an eight out of 10, and then they go do an addictive behavior, right? We want to stop doing that. That's not helpful.
What we want to do is learn to gradually give and come back to from the emotional intensity so you can go, oh, I can take two steps towards the emotion, which makes me closer to it, and then the intensity goes up two notches, and then I can take two steps back, and the intensity goes down two notches, you see. And so, that give and take gives us a sense of agency, autonomy, and control within the world of emotion regulation, where we were taught that we are powerless and don't have control,